Last Hermit 于 2000/04/09 09:53:53 发表在 汉英
But now I have to convey this vision to Kate, if only because all our finances, such as they are, are held in common, so there's no possible way in which I could raise the six or ten or twenty thousand pounds I shall need without her knowing.
拙译：可如今，如果单单是因为我们的财政是共管的，我就得将此看法告诉凯特的话，那末，我就没有办法瞒着她，将我所需要的六七千或者两万英镑筹到手。
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作者：laoliu - 2000/04/09 11:38:29
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What is notable is that "in common" is legalese for a type of shared ownership. Upon death of an owner, her interest does not go to the surviving owners but to her estate. So, it can be inferred that Kate is not the wife of the narrator or the couple have parted ways.
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Thanks. But I'm afraid find this confusing:
作者：Last Hermit - 2000/04/10 10:35:29
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"Upon death of an owner, her interest does not go to the surviving owners but to her estate. So, it can be inferred that Kate is not the wife of the narrator or the couple have parted ways." Would you please explain it a bit?
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A lawyer I'm not, but:
作者：laoliu - 2000/04/10 14:03:04
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Generally, when a married person dies, the surviving spouse becomes the sole owner of their previously jointly-held assets. The "in common" arrangement implies that the parties to this shared ownership have equal but seperate interest. The death of any owner will not affect the distribution of ownership among surviving parties. The property interest of the deceased will go to his or her estate, namely the living spouse or children or a court-sanctioned trust.
It is unlikely or maybe even impossible for a married couple to own something "in common."
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"but here:"
作者：laoliu - 2000/04/10 14:07:40
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Wait a minute. Are you saying that with this arrangement the surviving spouse might not be the only inheritor of the deceased spouse's property?
作者：Last Hermit - 2000/04/10 22:09:26
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Also, is that "arrangement" an agreement made between the couple when married?
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"Uh-oh, did I do that?"
作者：laoliu - 2000/04/11 00:26:01
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An obscure punch line, so never mind. :-)
让我猜猜：KATE是前妻，TILDA是他们的小孩。正式的夫妻不可以以IN COMMON的形式共同拥有财产。IN COMMON的形式暗示共同所有者的利益虽然是平等的，但却是独立的、分割的。而夫妻的特殊关系受到社会的承认，在民事事物上表现之一是，以丈夫一人名义获得的财产，妻子同样有份（有些例外的情况）；妻子名义下的、婚后的债务，丈夫也有责任偿还。
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Kate是“I”唯一的妻子。由于他一心想着要将那幅名画弄到手，经常想入非非。我所提供的上下文是说到他神游了半天，到了自己家门都没发现……
作者：Last Hermit - 2000/04/11 05:32:55
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要想把那画弄到手，就得筹一笔钱去把它买下来，然后再骗Tony说已经卖掉了。这里，说他突然想到财产是共有的，所以想把妻子瞒住而筹一笔钱来，几乎是不可能的事。
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Three possibilities:
作者：laoliu - 2000/04/11 08:24:41
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1) I was wrong about the whole thing; 2) the author didn't realize the special meaning of "in common" or 3) "in common" means differently in British(?) English.
But in any case, it (how you translate this term) is not that important as the reader will get enough information from the context.
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What I wanted to say is: Let's just drop the discussion about this item.
作者：laoliu - 2000/04/11 08:36:13
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哈哈！对不起，浪费了您那么多时间。不过，也没关系，反正楼下汉英说咱们成了黑兄弟了！
作者：Last Hermit - 2000/04/11 11:17:33
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Black Brotherhood or Hacker Fraternity? :-)
作者：laoliu - 2000/04/11 11:36:41
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OH. My goodness! How come I've lost "I"?
作者：Last Hermit - 2000/04/10 22:53:44
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The swelling press of canvas?
作者：Last Hermit - 2000/04/10 10:50:03
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The high peaks vanish behind the winter grime on the windows of the cottage, still waiting for me to clean them. The swelling press of canvas on the high-pooped caravel becomes three of Tilda's sleeping suits, washed by Kate and hanging accusingly out to dry.
请问：这里的“press”是什么？此外，“winter grime”是否指“雪污”－－对不起，鄙人一辈子都没见过下雪，不知有无“雪污”
这回事？
拙译：高高的山峰淹没于一片雪污之中，一片打在小别墅窗户上正等着我去清洗的雪污。在帆船高高的船尾上，鼓囊囊的画布布纹，变成了蒂尔达的三件睡衣。凯特把它们洗过后便晾到外面来，似乎正向我提出控诉。
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Snowless winters, winterless Guangdong :-)
作者：laoliu - 2000/04/10 12:18:53
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Winter grime describes dirt accumulation on the windows over the length of the winter. Windows look dirtier because 1) the water condensation attracts dirt and 2) you clean less frequently.
The swelling press of canvas on the high-pooped caravel
在帆船高高的船尾上，鼓囊囊的画布布纹
I'm not sure if press is a nautical term, but it describes the wind pressing on the canvas or sails. Swelling says the wind is strong.
What is a high-pooped ship?
http://www.cronab.demon.co.uk/br.htm
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Haha, yesterday once more! :-)
作者：hz - 2000/04/10 12:23:41
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GA/GD/GA/GE；真凑巧啊！:-)
作者：laoliu - 2000/04/10 12:44:36
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press of canvas: 满帆
作者：hz - 2000/04/10 12:21:43
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我疑心 winter grime 是冬日由于生火和少清扫而在窗上积的灰尘油烟等。Just a brief answer FYR!
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唉，太笨啦！当初读来读去都是“The swelling press|of canvas"。还是语法管用，因为如果这样读的话，“canvas”前面就得加“the”！谢谢！
作者：Last Hermit - 2000/04/10 22:58:40
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You are welcome!
作者：hz - 2000/04/10 23:43:37
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In fact, I didn't get it by grammar analysis but from 牛津双解. :-)
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grammatical
作者：hz - 2000/04/10 23:47:42
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隐士君，请进！
作者：汉英 - 2000/04/10 23:48:58
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给你的email竟得到这样的自动回复：严正警告：再往本处乱扔垃圾者，必严惩不贷！！！
今后请用“/”取代“|”，尤其是在标题上，你在press和of间安插的这个竖杠又使论坛黑了近40分钟。上次将laoliu的讨论帖删除是为了防止他人复制，没想到你今又自投罗网。切切！
汉英
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万分抱歉！我当初还在纳闷：怎么又黑了，谁跟咱们《汉英》有仇？万万想不到，竟是自作孽！不过，一不留神，也跟我当了一回黑客。
作者：Last Hermit - 2000/04/11 05:13:23
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是否，请有关专家将程序改一下，禁止输入危险符号？
对不起，原来的过滤器不管用，还是天天收到垃圾，所以将过滤器中“收件人名字必须包含“hermit”改成了“Last Hermit”，而且大小写不得有误。请再试试：收件人：Last Hermit？
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Done! Thanks!
作者：汉英 - 2000/04/11 08:06:19
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Hope this information helps...
作者：The Yeti - 2000/04/12 01:29:28
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(i) In some countries (or in case of Canada, in the province of Quebec
), one spouse of a married couple cannot
borrow money without the co-signiture of the other.
In Quebec, e.g., married couples are "common as to property". I.e.
everything acquired after marriage is divided 50/50 when the marriage
breaks up. Because of this "common as to property" rule, a husband
or wife cannot raise funds by borrowing without the signiture
of the other spouse. I guess in the case mentioned in your
article, the couple involved is join (or common) as to to property
in the same sense as I mentioned, so the husband cannot borrow
money without the signiture of the wife. Both husband and wife
are responsible for the loan.
(ii) Winter grime
Snow is not as pure as some romantics think. Snow, like rain, is
very much contaminated nowadays. After the snow on your window has
melted away, it leaves the pollutant behind, forming a layer of
filth on the window.
The situation is a lot worse in the city. Snow that has fallen on
the streets is usually mixed in with the road salt (use for melting the snow),
dust, dirt etc.. A strong wiff of wind will blow the snow all over the place.
They cling onto clothes, windows, cars and whatnots. After they've melted,
the dirt stays behind. Reality is not as pretty as the ones shown on Christmas
cards !
I should know ! We just had 37 cm of snow on Sunday ! Isn't this
ridiculous ? 37 cm of snow in April !!!
Well, as an abominable snowman, I shouldn't complaint,right ?! :-)
The Yeti
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