butan 于 2000/08/08 22:24:48 发表在 汉英
From a macroscopic perspective, the grand surrounding in which we Homo sapiens subsist is governed by a definitive and disinterested pattern. Such pattern is in turn governed by no person or thing and is tacitly accepted by our intelligence. The quintessence of the universe consists of and only of such pattern, or more appropriately, the quintessence of such pattern. If anyone is to oversee or negate the pattern, it is either that his perceptions of his own human realm is strangely distorted or that he harbors a malicious intent not to another party, but to the whole Humanity.
To the most ghastly misfortune of Humanity, the superlative function of the pattern is being diluted. The source is not clearly known. But another disparate form of pattern was painstakingly contrived for a cause that is too ignominious, or rather bizarre, to be acknowledged. In no way does the author share anything in common with the creators of that pattern, but it is for informative reasons that the author deems it necessary to expound the nature of it. The fallacious form of pattern that is said by its creators to supercede the real one is essentially a being; an omnipotent being that is capable of single-handedly manipulate all things in the universes, including all events of a life. Perhaps because of the dream-like quality of this invention, a multitude of people from all walks of life uphold it and are strenuously converting others into their camp. Dear naïve reader, it is not impossible to discern the calamitous debacle of Humanity if you earmark only an infinitesimal amount of time to conceive a person frenetically and ungrudgingly devoting himself to a not merely intangible but nonexistent being. This is a matter that must not be viewed as farcical but as compelling. Our resolution and ability to uproot and pulverize such imagination command the tempestuous fate of Humanity.
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作者：建议 - 2000/08/09 00:16:27
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我的印象是本文作者有理不好好说, 抽象地玩弄文字游戏--高级的车轱辘话
作者：wq - 2000/08/09 03:18:29
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此文是对宗教的痛斥，入木三分，如何是有理不好好说？
作者：butan - 2000/08/09 11:28:17
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此文是对宗教的痛斥，入木三分，如何是有理不好好说？
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不论内容如何，文风确实象国内某类文章，堆砌大词，云山雾罩，就是不肯说句痛快话，时不时让研究生觉得成了半文盲。
作者：旁观 - 2000/08/09 12:45:43
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无论痛斥还是赞美宗教, 都可以把文章写得明白漂亮得多. 只因为我也基本认同作者观点, 才加上了"有理"二字.
作者：wq - 2000/08/09 12:59:14
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他这样堆砌词藻, 桀讵敖牙(对不起, 这个成语四个字恐怕有三个错的, 一来没有字典可查, 二来词汇不如这位作者), 恐怕懒得去绕的或者被他唬着了的不只是我; 语法缜密词汇多多不等于他说理明了清楚有层次. 所引一段好象也不是谈的宗教, 就算谈, 他的目的也达不到, 圣经或很多神学著作比他写的英文象话多了, 他靠什么把人家拉过来?
个人观点, 说说而已, 又不是这里人非得什么都看法一致. :-))))
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wq兄弟，起码你还看明白了。本人是连字都认不全，更不要说意思了！:-(
作者：大头 - 2000/08/09 14:30:04
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估计您尚未走出狄更斯的世界:))
作者：tian xin - 2000/08/09 20:40:50
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--kidding.
How did you enjoy "Our Mutual Friend"?
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Haven't been able to watch it yet!
作者：Datou - 2000/08/09 21:39:04
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Ordered a copy from Barnes and Noble. But so far it has not arrived. Well, I was told that it would take 1 to 2 weeks, so I guess I just have to wait.
Cheers.
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Cheers.
作者：tian xin - 2000/08/09 22:17:46
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You made me feel guilty. I was only recommending a Video-Ezy-type rental service:) Didn't mean to cost your pocket money:)
However, if you'd like to hear some old-fashioned commentary, remind me on its arrival. I'm now obliged to at least get hold of a copy of the video and watch it again to refresh my memory:)
Good luck!
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Please do not feel bad!
作者：Datou - 2000/08/09 22:48:30
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It's not your fault. I am a lazy person who hate to explore all possibilities. Besides, I would not mind spending a little money on something of long-term value. Heaven knows, I have wasted more than enough of my hard-earned money on things much less worthy.
Thank you for your offer. I will let you know when I get the tapes. But if it is too much trouble for you to find a copy, please do not bother. I am sure you do not really need to "refresh your memory." :)
Thanks again!
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To make myself feel even worse
作者：tian xin - 2000/08/10 02:43:11
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Well, if you really don't mind spending money on things of long-term value, you've just about found the right person to help you in that direction:)
What would you like next? Classical literature or classical music? :) It's a pity there's not an equivalent to Dickens in the musical world so that you could compare both. However, if you don't mind, I'd like to recommend Gustav Mahler's Symphonies. You may find that Mahler shares with Dickens and the suffering humanity on a deep level.
There's a very good and inexpensive version of Mahler's 4th symphony($10 Australian and should be less in the States):
Mahler: Symphony No. 4/George Szell
(with it) Songs of a Wayfarer/Andrew Davis
serial no.: SBK 46 535
Not compulsory homework:))
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Gee, thanks again for your generous help!
作者：Datou - 2000/08/10 10:32:41
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I hope I am not taking up too much of your time. I would never be able to repay you. To tell you the truth, I have never been a lover of classical music. I have tried a few time but could never get it. The sad truth is that I am not too keen on classical literature either. I could stay up until five o'clock in the morning to finish reading a Harry Potter -- see what kinds of things I am wasting my money on, but was unable to force myself go beyond the first few pages of the War and Peace. Guess it's not in my grain to appreciate life's finer things. :(
Anyway, I really appreciate your suggestions. I have already ordered a copy and will give classical music another whack. :) Hope I can do better this time.
Cheers.
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If it doesn't work this time, that's the end of my recommendations:))
作者：tian xin - 2000/08/10 16:38:23
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Even if you don't find symphonies all that easy to listen, you may find this Symphony No. 4 in G Major quite easy, it is one of the most approachable of symphonies, if not the most. Pay special attention when you come to the third movement, it is where I find my Chinese soul relates to Mahler the composer. And the ending reminds me of Dickens' happy ending in the soul's liberation after suffering.
I have great faith in this piece of music and hope you didn't spend money in vain. Thank you!
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I will report back to you on how it goes.:) Thanks!
作者：Datou - 2000/08/11 09:44:34
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I was only kidding. Time is short, the music won't last. 千万别跟自己过不去:))
作者：tian xin - 2000/08/11 18:01:53
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To borrow a postmodernist idea: no hierarchy in artistic values. Just a matter of personal taste. I am more inclined to things classical, mainly because I happened to come across Shakespeare and Tchaikovsky upon first introduction to Western culture, which have led to my conservative taste. I wish I could read 金庸，王朔, and Harry Porter, and listen to the Carpenters. Yet since time is short and since I hate to treat my favourite masterpieces as casual reading or background music, by the time I could sit down for an good hour and listen to a Mahler symphony or Bruckner's motets, I have to be very selective, and choose nothing but the best according to my standards. Hence my almost total ignorance about pop songs or pop literature.
However, there have been great rewards. They yield indescribable beauty and surprises all the time. I am very touched by your sincerity and commitment:) "Hear the music/Before the song is over." May you enjoy these "finer things" as much as I have:))
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music mix and match
作者：The Yeti - 2000/08/12 22:47:31
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Looks like you don't have a radio station down under that plays a
mix bag of music; otherwise you could have listen to Mahler's Magna Opus
,the Carpenters and Ella Fitzgerald all within a couple of hours !
We have a program on CBC that is called the "Disc Drive". It lasts
about 2 hours a day and features a mix bag of music selected from classical,
pops, country and western, and jazz. The selection is usually
quite good. You would have enjoyed it !
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Wow, Mahler Magnum Opus, how lucky!
作者：tian xin - 2000/08/13 06:11:10
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No, we don't have such mixes in Australia, though different stations specialize in different types of music. The one my radio is permanently tuned to is ABC Classic FM which features classical music only 24 hours a day. I would really like to have a go at some folk and classic pop songs, do you have any in mind to recommend?
Going back to Mahler, I wonder if you have heard or like Mahler's "Songs of the Earth". An American China-expert friend loves it very much, for its Chineseness I guess. I went through nearly the whole 李白canon to match some of the original poems, but found the music anything but Chinese. I'd like to hear a second opinion from you as to the degree "Songs of the Earth" remind you of China. But don't worry if you haven't heard them. Thank you very much.
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I was only speaking figuratively..
作者：The Yeti - 2000/08/13 19:33:13
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I was only speaking figuratively and not really on specific works and
artists. This particular program in CBC regularily schedules, within
the same 2 hours, works of different types. One thing is sure though,
I have heard Mahler's Titan twice in the last year or so. The guy there
must be a Mahler fan.
As to Das Lied Von Der Erde (Songs of the earth), while I was pondering
whether I heard it before or not, my wife not so gently reminded me
that we did hear it in a concert a couple of years ago. Now that
she has reminded me, yes, it was good but I don't think I had the
feeling of nostalgia about China when it was performed. But you cannot
use me as a yardstick because I have never been to China (yet). (I was
born in Hong Kong.)
As to pops, it's hard to suggest any particular style or piece to
start with. With your musical background, try a radio station that regularily
broadcast 1930 to 1950 music, you might find them more to
your taste. I am sure you will like such immortal classics as
Star Dust; As time Goes by; Deep Purple; Unchained Melody; Red
Sail in the Sunset; Le Vie en Rose; Fools rush In; Nature Boy;
September Song; When I grow too old to dream; etc..
Sometime ago I was steered to a web-site where a lady has a collection
of memorable lyrics from some of the greatest pop songs ever written.
She told me that it was from a particular CD or Music Video. I am
sure if you can get the same CD or Video, you would enjoy it. I forgot
what it was. I think her page is at:
http://ftp.maoming.gd.cn/h/ctang123/guide.htm
(The site is in English and Chinese (GB code))
As to an easy introduction to "light jazz", I would suggest
Dave Bruebeck's Album "Take Five". The correct album should
be the one that has: Take five,
Strange Meadow Lark and Someday my prince will come.
Speaking of Jazz, I heard a good rendition of "Blow Blow thou
Winter Wind" sung in a jazz arrangement last year. I almost
got blown over by nostalgia since we sang the "traditional"
version of the same song some 40 years ago !
Sorry I got so long winded, Hy00 will be mad at me
taking up their valuable disk space again!
Yeti singing with his creaky voice.
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Sorry, scratch the link mentioned in my post. It's no longer there.
作者：The Yeti - 2000/08/13 19:46:23
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May be if this person, or her friend the OnLooker, sees this post,
he/she will get in touch with you.
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Thank you for your time and recommendations.
作者：tian xin - 2000/08/13 20:15:51
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To tell you the truth, I have heard none of the above mentioned pop classics nor jazz album. I shall try some of the pop songs first and as soon as I can find time. Thanks too, for your comments on Mahler. If you ever happen to hear them again, and if you and your wife would like the original Chinese poems, I will be more than happy to send them to you.
Mahler addict tian xin
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I am curious
作者：The Yeti - 2000/08/13 23:43:37
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I am curious to see which of 李白's poems you have picked as
possible matches to Mahler's music. If it is not too much trouble,
you need only to send the titles of those poems (assuming they are common
enough they should be in the 3 hundred Tang Poems. Despite my
mis-advanture of giving away my books, I still have one old copy
of the 300 poems of the Tang Dynasty).
e-mail address: dstephen@openface.ca
Thanks.
(Only if you are free. This could be a very busy time since it
is probably at the end of the Winter Semester down there.)
My wife likes Mahler but is not as dedicated as you are !
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谁能说出这篇文章说的些什么，我算服了他。
作者：tanbu - 2000/08/09 16:13:40
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谁能说出这篇文章说的些什么，我算服了他。
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解读一下
作者：方壶斋 - 2000/08/09 20:45:23
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From a macroscopic perspective, the grand surrounding in which we Homo sapiens subsist is governed by a definitive and disinterested pattern. Such pattern is in turn governed by no person or thing and is tacitly accepted by our intelligence. The quintessence of the universe consists of and only of such pattern, or more appropriately, the quintessence of such pattern. If anyone is to oversee or negate the pattern, it is either that his perceptions of his own human realm is strangely distorted or that he harbors a malicious intent not to another party, but to the whole Humanity.
人的命， 天注定， 谁有头脑都承认。命中命， 定天命， 谁要看不清不承认， 他不是傻蛋就是故意与人民为敌。
To the most ghastly misfortune of Humanity, the superlative function of the pattern is being diluted.
呜呼哀哉！命之大能， 识者鲜矣。
The source is not clearly known.
缘出于何， 没人清楚。
But another disparate form of pattern was painstakingly contrived for a cause that is too ignominious, or rather bizarre, to be acknowledged.
有人处心积虑， 处于不可告人的， 相当荒诞的理由另立中央， 与天命分庭抗礼。
In no way does the author share anything in common with the creators of that pattern, but it is for informative reasons that the author deems it necessary to expound the nature of it.
鄙人与此等小人决非一丘之貉， 但是觉得有必要对其本质加以揭露批判。
The fallacious form of pattern that is said by its creators to supercede the real one is essentially a being; an omnipotent being that is capable of single-handedly manipulate all things in the universes, including all events of a life.
此等小人所制造的玩艺， 据他们讲， 可以取天命而代之， 其本质就是某个万能之有灵物， 可以一手遮天， 玩世间万物于掌中，天下万物， 活的死的， 概莫例外。
Perhaps because of the dream-like quality of this invention, a multitude of people from all walks of life uphold it and are strenuously converting others into their camp.
这种发明有极大的欺骗性， 以致于各行各业芸芸众生不但信之， 还非要让不信的人信之。
Dear naïve reader, it is not impossible to discern the calamitous debacle of Humanity if you earmark only an infinitesimal amount of time to conceive a person frenetically and ungrudgingly devoting himself to a not merely intangible but nonexistent being. This is a matter that must not be viewed as farcical but as compelling. Our resolution and ability to uproot and pulverize such imagination command the tempestuous fate of Humanity.
傻瓜读者们， 稍微花点时间想像一下，想像一个疯子对一个看不见， 摸不着的有灵物俯首贴耳衷心不贰， 你就可以知道咱们人类没戏到什么程度了。
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精彩，精彩！
作者：butan - 2000/08/09 20:54:24
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翻得精彩！
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Bravo, bravo! 这下就清楚多了。
作者：大头 - 2000/08/09 22:52:34
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概莫“能”外！
作者：Last Hermit - 2000/08/10 03:56:00
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佶屈聱牙版－－良于自身中文功夫之修练乎？
作者：Last Hermit - 2000/08/10 03:00:53
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宏观而论，当世人所处之大氛围已成定局，芸芸众生囿于此间，不可逆转。此乃人类不宣之事实。此乃宇宙之精髓，或确言之，宇宙之精髓系乎此间。凡欲监视或藐视此定势者，或对人类自身之智识有舛误，或居心不良－－非对他人，然对全人类怀有歹毒之心矣。
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呵呵, 俺说了俺的成语是错字, 果然! 谢隐君!
作者：wq - 2000/08/10 05:33:57
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A paraphrase, because here I do not have Chinese input
作者：Fang Huzhai - 2000/08/10 20:14:19
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From a macroscopic perspective, the grand surrounding in which we Homo sapiens subsist is governed by a definitive and disinterested pattern. Such pattern is in turn governed by no person or thing and is tacitly accepted by our intelligence. The quintessence of the universe consists of and only of such pattern, or more appropriately, the quintessence of such pattern. If anyone is to oversee or negate the pattern, it is either that his perceptions of his own human realm is strangely distorted or that he harbors a malicious intent not to another party, but to the whole Humanity.
Paraphrase:
From a bigger point of view, we can see that the world we live in is determined by a pattern. This pattern is fixed and is not affected by any human feelings or any human interests. Nothing controls this pattern, no matter materials things or human beings. We as intelligent beings know about and accept this pattern as a fact. This pattern is controled only by its essence. If anyone want to show that he is more powerful than this pattern, or try to deny this pattern, then he must be holding a distorted view of human life, or he is hostile to the whole human world.
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你们翻这篇文章时一个生字都没有？
作者：butan - 2000/08/10 08:53:26
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实事求是，你们翻这篇文章时一个生字都没有？
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谁说的？我可不比你少！
作者：Last Hermit - 2000/08/10 10:46:37
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Of course we had, but they did not affect an overall understanding of what it talks about. I gave just a crude and joking translation.
作者：Fang Huzhai - 2000/08/10 20:05:51
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不瞒你说，这文章是我写的。
作者：butan - 2000/08/10 21:38:07
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不瞒你说，这文章是我写的。
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逆向第三只眼？
作者：四眼 - 2000/08/11 03:24:37
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恭喜恭喜！文章已经写到耶稣，默哈默德，释加摩尼见了怕怕的程度：)
作者：渔夫 - 2000/08/11 21:27:33
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