读书评译（２１）：“山峰和山谷之间”
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民办 于 2000/10/20 16:02:48 发表在 汉英
读书评译（２１）：“山峰和山谷之间”
《实用翻译教程》（上海外语教学出版社，１９９７）所引罗斯福１９４５年１月２０日的就职演说（３７０－３７１页）和别人的汉译（４５１－４５２页）：
The great fact to remember is that the trend of civilization itself is forever upward; that a line drawn through the middle of the peaks and the valleys of the centuries always has an upward trend.
我们要记住的一个伟大事实是文明本身的趋势永远是上升的。在若干世纪的山峰和山谷之间划一道线，这条线永远呈上升的趋势。
评：英语原文是把历史发展看作一条上下波动、有峰有谷的曲线。要划的那条“线”是穿过波形中间的一条线。译文“之间”只说明两者间的某点。而且，译文会使人以为是在一个山峰和一个山谷之间。“中间”的平均值意思更明确一些。改为“如果横穿历史发展的山峰和峡谷，在这曲线的中间划一道线”。不知可否？
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Interesting question and good point! Thought of an alternative to your already-good translation...
作者：hz - 2000/10/20 16:33:47
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将多少个世纪里文明的峰峰谷谷的中点连成一条线，它永远上升。
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冷不丁扔一块砖头。。。（没打着裁判吧？）
作者：看官 - 2000/10/20 16:54:21
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“如果把各世纪的巅峰与深谷的中点连成一条线，那么这条线始终呈上升趋势。”
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赞同看官和鹤子的译文，将您二位译文中的“将”和“把”。。。中点”改为“取”。。。中点，划一条直线”如何？
作者：XY - 2000/10/20 17:08:47
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不怎么样:-( 还是“连”字用的好。estoppel
作者：XY - 2000/10/20 17:12:50
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老罗讲话，还得麻烦听众有数学曲线的想象力:-(。峰和谷的中点在哪里呢？“画一条线，在世世代代的峰谷间中部穿行”
作者：学而 - 2000/10/20 18:03:39
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我还真的试了，点了一系列高峰点和低谷点，取了若干中点，然后连起来。当然要象划有升有落长期总体为升的股票行情示意图那样！
作者：XY - 2000/10/20 18:16:53
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Good bye, UN! Hello, Wall Street!
作者：渔夫 - 2000/10/20 18:52:26
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继续打渔，不得扰乱军心:-)
作者：XY - 2000/10/20 19:51:31
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Exactly Hz. I am going to stick my neck out and say you get full marks.
作者：The Yeti - 2000/10/20 21:29:36
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Yes , indeed . It is similar to the charts of the stock market, say,
the Dow Jones Index. But it does not necessarily have to be just about the stock market alone.
Think of a saw blade with it's triangular edges. Tilt this saw
at an angle, lower end to the left and higher end to the right, and you have a series of peaks and valleys that are
going upwards. In the case of the saw, all the triangles have the
same size. In human civilization and in the stock markets, these
triangles are irregular in sizes. Sometimes you have a large
up-peak followed by a small down-valley or vise-versa. In the stock
market, inspite of the ups and downs, the general trend is upwards.
FDR's use of the middle line is only an approximation, but the
idea is quite clear. If you take a flexible curve-ruler (forgot what
those things are called, I think they are called French curves, but I am not sure ) , bend it to fit the shape of the upward
trend, you can draw a smooth line that passes somewhat near
the middle of the curve.
In statistics, a technique known as "moving" averaging will enable
the analyst to calculate, and subsequently, draw , a smooth line
that shows the general trend of the "up-and-down" curve.
If you see one of these charts that stock analysts use,
you will see a curve with many ups and downs that shows the
daily movement of a stock. Super-imposed on it, you will
see two smooth curves that represent , respectively, the
long and short term moving averages (i.e. trend lines.)
I will try to describe an ad I saw in financial circular. Let see if
I can do a good enough job to enable you to see it in your mind's
eye.
A man is sitting on a chair. His back is turned to the viewer.
The chair is located at the edge of a lake.
Across the lake there is a series of snow covered mountain peaks.
The peaks, 5 in all, goes from the left of the picture to the right.
A white rectangle is drawn around the last 3 peaks.
A series of grid lines are drawn into the white rectangle to make
it look like a graph paper.
A thick white line is traced out along the peaks and valleys of this irregular rising-and-falling landscape.
It is cleared from the white line that inspite of the many valleys,
the general trend of the peaks is upwards from the left to the
right.
Now lets add a red line that passes somewhere through the
mid-points between each set of peak and valley and what do you
get ? A upward trending line going from the left to the right.
Ok, I hope I have bore everyone into taking an early nap !
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Very interesting and amusing!You must have been a
作者：XY - 2000/10/20 23:36:03
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very beloved teacher:-) I feel like sitting in the classroom , listening to my favorite teaching explaining a science concept like telling a story.
It is true the beloved teacher can be very thick when it comes to his students' names. XY would love to be a hz, but is not:-(
Good night! Teacher!
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Sorry ! I did not read the post carefully enough. I will put on my dunce hat and go sit in a corner for the rest of the period :-(
作者：The Yeti - 2000/10/21 12:56:34
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statistics; time series data; a regression line
作者：新学生 - 2000/10/23 07:49:01
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Uncle Yeti started it ;-)
Just a couple of quick points.
(1) In the discussion above, it's obviously assumed but never explicitly stated that the x-axis in the graph/plot represents "time". (Thus, the plot is a "time series" plot.)
(2) Uncle Yeti's example of a saw is a great way to explain the underlying statistical idea in this discussion. More formally, we probably should say something about a "regression line" (or more accurately a "simple linear regression line"). Of course, regression is not the right tool for time series data. But it does illustrate the point the author was trying to make. Simply put, a simple linear regression line is a STRAIGHT line that cuts through (and goes along) the "peaks and valleys" (from left to right on the graph). Whether this line connects the dots that are the middle points of every peak and valley is not important. This straight line represents the overall trend of the data over time.
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都不懂得踢假球
作者：民办 - 2000/10/20 18:53:01
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另外问一下跟比赛无关的事情：什么时候参观纽约的联合国总部比较合适？有没有时间、人事关系的限制？
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真假都不会踢
作者：XY - 2000/10/20 19:59:08
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看来得设接待站了，当然是“民办”的，不是官办的。具体事宜，需请示斑竹。
大楼对外开放时间为9－5，Mon-Fri.
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