野草 于 1999/12/07 08:49:36 发表在 汉英
在“译者论坛”偶然看到Triman写的“戏说英语论坛”,令我这入坛不久的朦懂人眼界大开。联系到坛上出现的一串又一串的“请教问题”,不由得定下心想一想,究竟拿着清单前来请教的有没有自己先动过脑筋、查过字典?莫非把论坛当作可以取之不尽、用之不竭的免费资源?不耻下问固然好,但学语言不靠自己下苦功夫,光想上网捞免费餐,岂能学好?!倒不是瞧不起提出的问题本身,因为再是“小儿 科”的问题里头都可能有文章,但对那些一眼就看得出是没经过大脑就提出来的、原本随便一翻字典就可解决的那些问题,如果众人还费 那么大的劲去答理,值得吗?想听听诸位在坛上驰骋久了的先生们的感想。谢了。
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戏说英语论坛
Triman
别一看这标题就以为有戏,倘若您对“戏说”这词儿前几年在电视剧名里泛滥成灾略有所知,心里一定会嘿嘿笑:这不是披着遮羞布的“乱说”么?不管怎么“说”, 要说论坛,这里得先给论坛“灌水” 的人物略分类,定个名,名正言顺嘛。提问题的,就叫“初哥初姐” 吧,答题叫“大虫”,版主就约定成俗叫“斑竹”吧。
初哥初姐巧提问
前几日去某个论坛,见一初哥初姐发一SOS,摘录如下: 请帮忙,翻译如下课程名称:文献检索,计算机仿真,金工实习,认 识实习,生产实习,毕业实习,毕业设计,中国社会主义建设,大学 英语,高等数学,画法几何与机械制图,算法语言,体育,工程数学,大学物理,中国革命史,法律基础,大学物理实验,马克思主义原理,电路,电路实验,电子技术,电机拖动,计算机实践与操作……(略去若干),心里不由感慨:如此做“太公钓鱼”状,恐怕多是竹 篮打水。初哥初姐入宝山而不空手折回,还需巧提问。
化整为零
内容多专业性强的问题,因种种原因常得不到大虫们的答复,不过现在网上的论坛挺多的,完全可以将其化整为零,分贴到各论坛,这样 或可得以丰收。
巧署名
据观察清纯可爱的女性化署名,如雪儿、蕾蕾之类的,以及儿童漫画式的署名,如小猪嘟嘟、小铃铛等,他们的问题,容易得到及时的答 复,据说这是网上性别比例失调及人性本善的自然反映。
点将法
如果您比较熟悉论坛的大虫情况,不妨直点某大虫请求其答复,在不熟悉的情况下,点斑竹回复比较保险,这叫“叫板”,可能会因此失 去其他大虫的回复,但给叫上板的,会因种种“不可告人”的原因,
给予答复或指明一条生路。
为大虫们着想
在论坛上也见过不少上不着天,下不着地的问题,一般都是搁在那里 没人搭理,即使用了上述三法也没用,道理摆着呢,人家犯不着在那里干猜谜,当然,有时这样的问题也有大虫们回答,但他们猜谜般的
的答案不一定适合需要,而且有好几次,看到大虫们因“公说公有理,婆说婆有理”而争吵起来,甚至伤了和气。
我要做大虫
一般来说,常做大虫的不但要具有相应的专业知识,而且要有时间,有扔不完的银子或免费上网的条件,还要一股子热心。倘若一个论坛此类大虫多了,恐怕人气不旺也不行。常去各个论坛转转,也见过
不少的热心“虫子”,虽说艺不惊人,但凭其热心,难说以后不会成为真正的大虫。金子要发光,硫磺有气味,老是做初哥初姐的,见到其他小初哥小初姐不免自己也想当回“虫子”。不瞒说,热心“虫
子”我也当过好几回了,这种感觉真好。知无不言,言无不尽,言者无罪,闻者足戒,这是谁说的来着?
斑竹您当不当
据说修练到“骨灰级”,大虫便可成“斑竹”。振臂一呼而大虫云集的斑竹,谁人不想?不过见的多是凭着一腔热血独立支撑的斑竹,这 些斑竹或多或少都有一些共同特点,如将论坛以个性化的名字命之,
疏于管理或忙于做传声筒等等。而要做大虫们云集的斑竹,除了要历“千锤万凿”的专业磨练外,亦要擅腾挪平衡之功等,对我等惫懒之人 ,想起来头都疼,怎么,你在小瞧咱,咱五百年前就当过了!哈
哈,不过,无论何类斑竹,只要不是出于私心,咱都捐出一鞠躬,外加一句话:岂以成败论英雄!
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窃以为……
作者:Last Hermit - 1999/12/07 15:06:35
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诚然,像“文献检索,计算机仿真,金工实习,认 识实习,生产实习,毕业实习,毕业设计,中国社会主义建设,大学 英语,高等数学,画法几何与机械制图”等等,对高手/老手们来说,是小儿科的东西,但对一些初哥/新手来说,却会教他们抓破头皮最后也只落得个一筹莫展的。因此,窃以为,这要视乎他们是否真有诚意要向老手们虚心求教,比如说经指点后,还会再发问:为何这样译,语法为何是这样的?诸如此类--甚至还会搬出某某权威来质问老师,这类人恐怕就最值得教。当然,遇到那些只为交功课,甚至只有三脚猫功夫,却要挂块牌子:“对外翻译”的,恐怕就要提防一点,不可让他们无休止地吃免费餐。然而,有时候不免又自忖:师者,所谓传道授业解惑也,恐也不是什么大不了的事情。何况,有时候说不定还会感动一些人,让他们收敛一下,或自己下苦功努力学习。这恐怕也是件幸事吧。
当然,鄙人不是什么高手。但总希望能尽绵薄之力帮助一下别人,让别人提高,更希望得到高手们的指正,也让自己提高。
不佞浅见,各方家见笑!
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窃也以为... :-)
作者:He Zi - 1999/12/07 15:07:54
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野草君的帖大家都看到了,作用就已起到了。谢谢您。
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NND,怎么跟俺上过的课差不多,连课程名字都一样。
作者:桃谷六仙 - 1999/12/07 15:09:30
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这个事情是周喻打黄盖。
但是,如果论坛中的初级问题太多,时间长了会影响论坛的定位。
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With the truthful message in your witty remarks, let's bask in cyber love with mutual understanding!
作者:汉英 - 1999/12/07 15:11:17
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Your pertinent message is deeply appreciated and your legitimate concerns empathetically shared. We do hope all our interlocutors, both the helper and the helped, will benefit from this insightful statement of understanding while basking in cyber friendship and love.
Indeed, we do wish to edit pages as we deem appropriate. In practice, however, it's pretty hard. Everybody is important in this world and it's not for a couple of individuals to distinguish what's appropriate from what's not. The best we can do is to consolidate some of the threads to leave more room for serious topics. Meanwhile, we have to be more tolerant of diversity.
It reminds me of something: when you were singing a duet, would you be led into your partner's soundtrack or you can always manage to be on your own? And if the latter should be the case, what would usually enable you to stay on track? Is it unruffled self-confidence?
Hosting or participating in the discussion at cyber forums is almost a tempering process: while it offers a convenient excuse for a modest gentleman to retreat with honor, it provides a sufficient reason for the intrepid surf-rider to move on with equanimity. Friendship and love need no incentives, after all.
Thanks a lot for your understanding!
Hanying
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A somewhat related article on teaching.
作者:ds - 1999/12/07 21:10:39
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Excerpt from an old issue of the McGill (University) Reporter
Recently a group of Professors who, at various times in the past, received
distinguished teaching awards at McGill University were asked the following
questions:
(I) What is the greatest challenge associated with teaching at the university
level ?
(ii) What, in your opinion, are the hallmarks of good teaching.
Here is one of the answers.
(From Prof. Prakash Panangaden, Computer Science)
(I) University teaching has to cater to a trememdous variety of students from potential geniuses to the competent. The biggest challenge is keeping everyone interested without losing large segments of the class. Furthermore, at this level, teaching has to be guided discovery. One cannot just load students with information, they have to learn to learn for themselves and to question what their teacher tell them.
(2) First the teacher has to be aware of the students as human beings. They must realize that there are no universal explanation and that different students may respond to different types of explanations. The classroom has to be a gateway to a dialogue. One can be a great lecturer and a bad teacher if one makes no contact with the students.
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Yeah, it's quite enlightening. Thanks!
作者:Hanying - 1999/12/07 21:50:14
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稍加发挥
作者:子曰 - 1999/12/07 19:09:58
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幸生后现代
稍知网间事
网空有大虫
虫虫惜虫虫
一顾倾人坛
再顾倾人网
宁不知倾网与倾空
大虫难再生
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也来冒昧发挥一次
作者:小虫 - 1999/12/08 01:14:22
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初生小虫怨天低
不识网空阴阳云
惊叹渔夫大头鱼
拜见夫子称甜心
敢在水前揽古月
敢割野草喂鹤群
喝空方壶不馋酒
读罢汉英不贪生
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不是大虫
作者:子曰 - 1999/12/08 05:19:20
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滚滚万维千网水,浪花淘尽大虫。昨日大虫成龙去,汉英依旧在,几度为君同。
渔夫水前野草间,惯看古月今风。一壶浊酒润心田,更有仙鹤子,独立网虫中。
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simply fabulous, great, wonderful!
作者:UC - 1999/12/08 10:08:40
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各 位 不 仅 英 文 棒, 这 中 文 也 了 得, 该 不 是读 过 私 塾 那 辈 儿 人 吧 !
作者: 看 客 - 1999/12/08 11:09:21
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You must be talking about my granddad's generation,
作者:子曰 - 1999/12/08 16:30:05
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my only private tutor was Chairman Mao and my only schooling the Red Book;-)
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子曰网友中文功底了得,不负“子曰”也。
作者:渔夫 - 1999/12/08 19:37:13
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欲上仙山赢缪斯,还看狗蛋秋萍!
作者:子曰 - 1999/12/08 20:07:49
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Thanks. Let's GIVE & TAKE & ACCOMMODATE!
作者:野草 - 1999/12/08 15:04:11
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Thanks a lot for all your enlightening feedback. I can't help feeling really proud to be part of a forum that has been so accommodating while intellectually challenging at the same time. Isn't it even clearer now why Hanying can stand way out of the crowd in the cyber world? More cyber love with a sober mind is definitely needed in this stimulating cyber world. Let's keep up the spirit, then, to better GIVE & TAKE & ACCOMMODATE!
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