请教"有缘份"该怎么翻译? 多谢!
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不知道“有缘份”，但知道“没缘份”。Translated a song for fun: Please Hurt Me
作者：Cheyenne - 1999/12/31 09:47:27
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Please Hurt Me
If you gotta hurt somebody, please hurt me
& if you gotta break a heart, then please break mine
I won't cry if you deceive me
I'll take it with a smile
I know someday you will leave me
But at least I'll have you for a while
So darlin', if you gotta hurt somebody, please hurt me
& if I have to be a plaything, that's what I'll be
Please hurt me, oh please hurt me
Come on & please hurt me
Why don't you please hurt me
请伤害我
如果你注定要伤害一个人，
那么请伤害我人吧！
如果你注定要破碎一夥心，
那么请撕碎我心吧！
即使你骗我，我也不哭；
我将含笑相迎！
我知道有一天你会离去，
但至少我们拥有曾经！
所以亲爱的，
如果你注定要伤害一个人，
那么请伤害我吧！
即使你我注定没缘份，
那我也不渝从容。
请伤害我吧？噢，请伤害我吧！
请过来、来伤害我吧，
为什么不伤害我呢？！
Song by Gerry Goffin/Carole King
Translated by Cheyenne
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Oh, no! U'r the last one I'm gonna hurt:-) We have a Millennium Karmic link:-)
作者：goldsmith - 1999/12/31 09:48:44
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Really? Thanks! I take this time to wish you all the happiness,love and prosperity for the New Year!/
作者：Cheyenne - 1999/12/31 10:00:05
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Sure! You, too! Let's meet on the lonely street in Y2K! All the happiness regained:-)
作者：goldsmith - 1999/12/31 10:09:16
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名古屋已经进入Y2K，北京新千年的钟声已经敲响，祝汉英网友们喜结千年缘！
作者：汉英 - 1999/12/31 10:02:04
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关于“缘”字的老帖：
发言者:笔名内项
发表时间:1999年8月21日 22时27分14秒
来自:IP隐匿
Re: article a while back on marriage -- KY, Thu Aug 5 16:46:00 1999
婚 姻 与 烧水
This is an ancedote about 李鸿章 I heard from my Chinese literature teacher back when I was in high school. I
don't know if I remember it correctly, so bear with me if there are some inconsistencies in my narration.
The ambassordor 李 鸿 章 was asked by some foreign diplomats
about his views on arranged marriages in China.
Lee was supposed to have given the following analogy:
Think of marriage as boiling water. In arranged marriages, you start to
boil the water on the day you marry and let it slowly come to a boil. On
"free choice marraiges", you went through a period of romance when
the water is brough to a boil. You get married and the water starts to
slowly (or quickly) cool off.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying I want to bring back the "bad old days". I am merely bring up an interesting
story that I heard when I was
young. I thought Lee's argument was pretty neat.
(I am sure I have reopened a can of worms by bring this up !)
KY
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If by water you mean romance or love, then - hwl, Fri Aug 6 00:14
Talk not of wasted water! water is never wasted, (though it may cool down or boil or spoil); /If it enrich not the
life of one marriage, it shall return /Back to its springs, and like the rain, /It shall fill them full of refreshment: /That
which the fountain sends forth returns again to the fountain.
(-: DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY! :-)
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Not for kids under 18 - xxx, Fri Aug 6 00:41
>>That which the fountain sends forth returns again to the fountain????
At least not true with the pro-creative seeds that a man's fountain sends forth. They never return to nourish the
brains as some Taoists have claimed. :-):-):-)XXX
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三个男人在一起没好话 - 跟哪都脱不了这个根。一点不好笑！下流。, Fri Aug 6 00:51
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这么说你是万绿丛中一点红罗？ - 朋友, Fri Aug 6 01:32
物以稀为贵，你可太宝贵了！敢问芳名芳龄？
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您最绿...... - 我不敢, Fri Aug 6 01:53
是不是觉得自己很幽默？ 这等话回去跟婆子讲吧，不要滥用网路资源。
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太阳最红，您最清. - 朋友, Fri Aug 6 02:00
有人说“清者自清，浊者自浊。”我看那三个男人一个下流词汇都没用。
何以你能看到“下流”？先将你一军再说。
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那是您学问大...... - 红红绿绿, Fri Aug 6 02:25
不要乱扯，玩这个小把戏。中国人喜欢“三”。据说“三”还蕴涵什么东西呢。
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道生一，一生二，二生三，三生万物 / no more - nit-picker, Fri Aug 6 06:50
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We recognize him, the guy is none but-- - Merry Wives of Windsor, Fri Aug 6 18:54
our very Sir John Falstaff! Yeah, every inch a Falstaff! Gross! Disgusting! As ever! Obviously he hasn't learnt his
lesson in that muddy ditch. How pathetic and hopeless some human beings can be! We wonder how many more
thrashings he needs from our kind husbands?
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Have a merry weekend, Merry Wife of Windsor! - Sir John, Fri Aug 6 20:40
Why are you still so restless? Should be enjoying your reproductive weekend, heh?
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May you, dear Sir, enjoy your weekend, too! - merry wife of Windsor, Fri Aug 6 22:09
Since you amuse us,
So we love you;
And as you humour us,
For that, we forgive you.
If "decency" cannot save you, then, may your "grossness"-of which we all partake-eventually is transformed into
your saving grace!
Let us pray to our dear Lord to have mercy on His creation,
Let judgement fall not too heavy upon us!
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Good poem! One minor amendment... - the gross Falstaff, Fri Aug 6 22:21
>>If "decency" cannot save you, then, may your
>>"grossness"-of which we all partake-eventually is
>>transformed into your saving grace!
After "may" you'd better use "be." Sure it must be your slip of the pen if not a trip of fantacy.:-) So it should read:
If "decency" cannot save you, then, may your "grossness"-of which we all partake-eventually be transformed into
your saving grace!
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Thank you, Sir. See how already transformed you are?/nt - Is this correct?, Fri Aug 6 23:48
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It does make sense. - Valentino, Thu Aug 5 20:02
We do have a saying in Chinese to the effect that in an arranged marriage, the couple date after wedding and in a
free-choice marriage, they wed after dating.
包办婚姻是先结婚，后恋爱；
自由结合是先恋爱后结婚。
Paradoxically, however, some people tend to break out of arranged marriages to experience free choices while
others, after the cooling off of their free choices, prefer to have match-makers to arrange for replacements.
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Ripeness is all - Hamlet, Thu Aug 5 23:42
"There is providence in the fall of a sparrow." If it is meant to be a good marriage, it will be; if it is not, it is not to
be.
What has it to do with dating before or after. Since we may know what we are, but not what we may become,
why bother about tomorrow's boiling water? or the temperature of others' water. Let be!
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缘 也 ！ - 嘉茵, Fri Aug 6 00:15
缘定三生
是姻缘
还是孽缘 ？
只有 天晓得 ！
：-( ！！
KY
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Wanted: superstitious KY, Hamlet & Li Hongzhi!/n - FBI, Fri Aug 6 00:26
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May be too far behind time - Shakespeare, Fri Aug 6 18:39
"They say miracles are past; and we have our philosophical persons to make modern and familiar, things
supernatural and causeless. Hence is it that we make trifles of terrors, ensconcing ourselves into seeming
knowledge
when we should submit ourselves to an unknown fear." (All's Well That Ends Well)
It puzzles me without end how you FBI philosophers or decision-makers came to the conclusion that Hamlet and
KY are superstitious. And I am even more confused as to how you people managed to equate KY and Hamlet
with your Lord Sakyamuni Reincarnate Li Hongzhi. It completely defies my comprehension!
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It's behind time to translate 缘 into "providence" - FBI, Fri Aug 6 22:33
To equate 缘 with "providence" is a heritage left over by traditional believes. From a modern scientific
perspective, what is traditionally believed to be 缘 or "providence" could just be kind of informatic compatability
or "chemistry."
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"Providence" is not the same as “缘”... - agree with FBI as far as that point goes, Wed Aug 11 19:45
Generally, one cannot equate terms from a theistic system with those of a nontheistic system. However, both are
ways of expressing the interrelationships of all things and their relationship to the One. "Providence" normally
implies a loving care or divine will （天佑，天意，神意）, whereas the emphasis in “缘” (karmic link) is on
cause and effect and the reality as process.
Therefore, "providence" and “缘” are not intertranslatable.
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缘 - 嘉茵, Sun Aug 8 00:58
I have been wondering for a long time what is the best
translate for 缘 , keeping in mind the various implications of the word.
I only get as far as two words: predestined encounter.
Is there on specific English word that has almost , if not identical,
meaning to 缘 ?
KY
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For your reference: - Cindy, Tue Aug 10 19:24
I remember once upon a time when attending a Buddhist retreat, hearing the resident Lama Reincarnation
Boddhisattva Living Buddha Master Teacher Rinpache use "karmic link" in this particular context when teaching a
batch of blue-eyed Dharma brothers and sisters:
We are here for a reason, we are here because we have all been connected for many life times and I can tell you
each of us has some kind of karmic link （缘） with the rest of us. It is this karmic link （缘） that has brought
us together to receive such precious teachings and to practise compassion for all sentient beings and to strive
towards Enlightenment in this very human body.
--kind of a "superstitious" Tibetan version of
他老人家的“我们都是来自五湖四海为了一个共同的革命目标走到一起来了”if you like. :-)
Om Ah Hung! Guru Pema Siddhi Hung!
Om Mani Padme Hung!
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As Mr.Spock would have said, "facinating" /nt - 嘉茵, Thu Aug 12 22:00
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"Karmic link" is what a Buddhist would call it... - Cindy, Sun Aug 8 19:55
Karma: action, work, effect, fate. The natural and necessary happenings in one's life, preconditioned by one's past
lives.
"Karmic link" is supposed to be the 缘 created as a result of certain actions or karma （业）in one's past life
which
determine one's present and future lives.
Hence,缘分：迷信的人认为人与人之间由命中注定的遇合的机会；泛指人与人或人与事物之间发生联系的可能性。
Source: 商务印书馆《现代汉语词典》
迷信的例子如：
1.唐代李源与和尚圆观之交情：三生石上旧精魂，赏月吟风不要论；惭愧情人远相访，此身虽异性常存。
2.神瑛绛珠之木石前盟：若说没奇缘，今生偏又遇着他；若说有奇缘，如何心事终虚化？
3. My husband, when he was wooing, said to me, "We must have stood next to each other in the choir of
Paradise at some stage." (Perhaps this is a bit theologically suspect :-)
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缘 - 嘉茵, Mon Aug 9 01:25
有缘千里能相会
无缘见面不相识
Before someone else accuse me of being superstitious, let me say
that I am always trying to debunk superstition. Very often,however,
I can't help but marvel at how some "chance encounters" happen
as if they have been guided by an invisible hand.
有感而发--KY
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There are more things btwn Heaven and earth, - hamlet, Mon Aug 9 02:51
my dear friend, than is ever dreamt of in your philosophy.
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缘：karma or predetermination or "chemistry"- as someone suggested, Sun Aug 8 12:22
a providential arrangment; a Heavenly plan
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Sounds good, I will think about it /nt - KY, Sun Aug 8 17:51
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This posting is indeed spectacular and moving! Thank you ever so much!/
作者：Cheyenne - 1999/12/31 10:09:20
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U'r most welcome! Those who're around on this occasion are friends indeed & therefore deserve special thanks!
作者：Hanying - 1999/12/31 10:19:42
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Yeah, I appreciate it very much too! Many thanks!
作者：a t - 1999/12/31 10:22:30
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Special thanks to u, too!
作者：Hanying - 1999/12/31 10:36:47
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Happy New Millennium to everyone!
作者：Last Hermit - 1999/12/31 10:44:48
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The same to u with special thanks!
作者：Hanying - 1999/12/31 10:55:55
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Much Love and all beautiful Blessings be unto you for the New Year! Much health, peace, and love fill your heart for 2000!--from my cousin + me, :-)/
作者：kidding - 1999/12/31 20:04:45
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Thank you so much. All the best to you and yours!
作者：Last Hermit - 1999/12/31 22:01:10
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祝愿新千年的论坛，高朋满座、佳译如潮、好上加好！感谢方家、网友的关照！
作者：YEXIAOSHENG - 1999/12/31 12:26:30
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Best of luck to u in the New Year with special thanks!
作者：Hanying - 1999/12/31 15:41:53
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destiny
作者：yueqi zhang - 2000/01/09 01:01:31
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Yes, as you can read from above, 缘份 can be "destiny," "fate," "karma" or "karmic link"...
作者：古月 - 2000/10/11 22:21:24
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"It's God's will.""It's devine.""It's providential..."
就看缘分怎么样了。It's all in the stars.
即将离婚的夫妇可以说，“咱们缘分已尽。”“That's where our providential contract ends."
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